You must log in or register to reply here. The Kansas City Chiefs sacked Krieg 9 times, including an NFL-record 7 sacks by linebacker Derrick Thomas. Thanks as always for the great write-up! Once he became a starter, he was never not above average, usually well above average, except in a year where he couldn't get to 200 attempts due to injury. [30], In 1996, the Chicago Bears signed Krieg to back up Erik Kramer. Nicknamed "Mudbone" by his Seattle teammates,[17] Krieg led the Seahawks on five-game winning streak to finish the season, during which his passer rating exceeded 126. Lol. It was our first year of season tickets. Bizarrely, Seattle (6-10 in 1981) handed the 10-5-1 Jets their only two losses of the 1981 season after New York's 0-3 start. "I said earlier in the week that we don't want to get this guy into the game and let him get into a rhythm," Jones said. *DeBerg traded to the Broncos shortly before the 1981 season; Reeves was in his first year as the Broncos head coach. (Everyone, or at least most males born in the first half of the 1970s after 1970-1971, also rememberBobby "The Brain" Heenan was Ken Patera's manager.). Zorn's playing career fizzled out soon after Krieg took his job. In his second season as a starter, less than a year after he tore his ACL, Joe Burrow threw 34 touchdowns, won three playoff games and took the Bengals to their first Super Bowl in over three decades. 1988 SEAHAWKS: Had his worst game as a pro replacing injured Dave Krieg in loss to 49ers in Week 4. We went out for pre-game warm-ups, then came back in and Jerry Rhome said, 'Hey, you know you're starting, don't you? Web@andeparks I was there too! Does anyone else remember the Cortez Kennedy commercial? 5) The 1985 Seahawks were a strange,consistently inconsistent team. Hes not a face of the NFL by any means, but almost 200 touchdown passes and three Pro Bowls at age 30 is nothing to sneeze at. SackSEER 2023: Is Tyree Wilson Overrated? I remember reading in the Super Bowl 16 program (the first Super Bowl program my father bought for me as a kid; the 1981 season was also the first NFL season I followed closely), which always includes a season in review section on a week by week basis, that after the Seahawks won their second meeting with the Jets in the 1981 season that of their 34 wins in franchise history up to that point, 6 of them were against the Jets. -The Seahawks actually beat an Elway-less Broncos in the 1983 playoffs. On a team with a moron GM. Krieg threw for 264 yards and two touchdowns, including a 57-yard game-winner to Largent, in a win over a strong Jets team. Having lived near the Seattle mediasphere during Krieg's reign I really liked this piece. One final thought - both Jim Zorn (undrafted in 1975) and Steve DeBerg (10th round pick in 1977) were originally signed by the Cowboys as rookies but never took a regular season snap for Dallas. In reply to How dare you besmirch the by Ambientdonkey. If you did a book of things like these from throughout the NFL's history (the hall of semi-interesting / semi-forgotten), I would absolutely buy it. Patera tried to fine players half of their game checks for the gesture, which would have cost Zorn $9,000. Despite going undrafted in the 1980 NFL Draft, he has consistently demonstrated remarkable talent as a quarterback throughout his career. Dave Krieg played in 12 postseason games (9 as a starter), and completed 51.1 percent of his passes (144 for 282) for 1,895 passing yards, 11 touchdowns, 10 interceptions and a 70.86 rating. But when Zorn suffered a broken ankle in 1981, Patera surprised everyoneincluding Kriegby naming Krieg the starter. Explore sample content below to see what you're missing. He signed with the Bears to back up Erik Kramer. NFL Combine 5 QBs with smaller hands who were just fine in the Dave Krieg. He attended Milton College and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. In reply to I remember when 44 year old by vrao81. Kemp relieved Krieg in the fourth quarter and nearly led the Seahawks on a scoring drive in the final 71 seconds. See Photos. Zorn and Krieg battled through the 1983 offseason, but Knox refused to acknowledge the controversy that the press was breathlessly reporting about. In reply to Have for years merged Dave by MilkmanDanimal. On rare occasions, Krieg would mop up in garbage time or take a knee at the end of a game. Sports Reference He wouldn't make his retirement official until 2000 after no takers emerged for his services. Garrett Gilbert, Gale's son, made an emergency start for the Cowboys last year. WebQuarterback controversies! *DeBerg goes into coaching and becomes the Giants quarterbacks coach in 1995-1996; Reeves was the Giants' head coach and hired DeBerg. WebDave Krieg As a professional athlete, he has represented various famous NFL teams like- Seattle Seahawks, Kansas City Chiefs, Detriot Lions, Arizona Cardinals, Chicago Bears , Yep. Must be 21 or older to gamble. On the other hand, ultra-conservative coaches love gutsy field general-types like Krieg. ', and I said, 'I guess I do now.'". Knox resigned. Veteran Jeff Kemp, who looked great when throwing to Largent against insurance salesmen in 1987, flopped in a one-game trial as the backup. [15], Krieg's inconsistency contributed to the mediocrity of the Seahawks in 1985. Sports betting and gambling are not legal in all locations. The Chiefs signed Joe Montana to really feed their habit in 1993. The Seahawks would go 4-3 down the stretch and beat John Elway's Broncos and Dan Marino's Dolphins in the playoffs before losing to the Raiders in the AFC Championship Game. I remember Mirer having a not-terrible rookie year. In reply to Pretty sure he was making fun of by paytonrules. [7], By the middle of the 1981 season, Krieg overtook Sam Adkins on the depth chart to become the Seahawks' second-string quarterback. [37][38], Krieg was released by the rechristened Tennessee Titans in July 1999 after the team signed Neil O'Donnell to backup McNair. The other players profiled in this series had multiple seasons near the top of the DVOA leaderboards. 1,579,967: 29. Krieg posted a career of 98-77. It actually made some sense why Reeves turned to DeBerg when things were tough in 1998, even though DeBerg was only slightly younger than Bob Hope at the time. Please keep me in your thoughts. Seahawks Flashback: Mudbone shakes off "The veteran quarterback took over for Scott Mitchell, saved the Lions season, and probably saved Wayne Fontes' job," Didinger wrote. Gilbert should have kept looking. Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy | Responsible Gaming, Support Football Outsiders' independent media and Mike Tanier. Largent, who retired as the NFL's all-time leading receiver, represented his native Oklahoma in Congress for eight years. This year that backwards discussion is centered around former Pittsburgh signal-caller, Kenny Pickett. 22 Nov 2022 22:39:58 "Dave Krieg is making a big move at Jim Zorn. (The two papers merged after the 1992 Pittsburgh newspaper strike.) There's something oddly poetic about Dave Krieg giving up a record number of sacks in a game, then scrambling around to barely avoid giving up an 8th sack, and then winning the game with an improbable long touchdown pass. [22], In 1989, Krieg struggled to lead an offense depleted by injuries. But then I looked up Steve DeBerg's stats, and it turns out his Kansas City years were pretty damn good: 3 straight top-10 passing DVOA finishes for a perennial playoff contender. Be sure to comply with laws applicable where you reside. WebThe idea is that small hands mean youre more likely to fumble when hit or lose your grip on the ball when passing in bad weather. I want to hammer home how ridiculous this sentiment is. At that point, head coach Chuck Knox named Krieg the Seahawks' new starting quarterback. Without a strong supporting cast, Krieg turned in another inconsistent year. Lefty passers! When that remedy failed to avert a four-game losing streak, Knox gave Krieg another chance. That said, any mention of Kreig will always bring two plays of his to mind: In reply to As someone who started by dmb. But after Krieg went 6-of-16 for 26 yards and five sacks in a Week 8 loss to the Broncos, Knox turned the starting job over to Gilbert, who had gone undrafted out of Cal in 1985. Career Notes. QB fumbles - Fantasy Index When David went up to the bar to order a drink, he noticed a guy wearing a flannel jacket, sitting by himself at the bar, nursing a drink. I have no idea what force convinced me to type Ripon not Milton, but MILTONis CORRECT! When I was a kid a I thought he was a damn wizard. Legendary Steve DeBerg should get a unique "Ryan Fitzpatrick Before Ryan Fitzpatrick" entry. 1996. He also had 17 rushing attempts for 20 yards and 1 touchdown. [32], Dave Krieg finished his career with the Tennessee Oilers, backing up the seldom-injured Steve McNair in 1997 and 1998. He kept his turnovers, sacks, and fumbles down, finishing 11th in DVOA and 12th in DYAR, stunning figures for a 38-year-old whose weapons were Curtis Conway (not bad), early-career Bobby Engram (OK), Michael Timpson, fullbacks Tony Carter and Raymont Harris, and tight end Ryan Wetnight (yikes). But, it didnt. DeBerg went 40 of 58 for 539 yards the next two games to beat New England and Dallas, the eventual SB winner, in the Leon Lett game. WebLegendary fumbling quarterback Dave Krieg third on the all-time list with 153 was rumored to have teeny hands. Pickett, of course, need not fear that his smaller-than-usual NFL phalanges will betray him at the next level. Krieg finished in the top 10 in DVOA five times during his neverending career, yet he always seemed to be just one slump away from a seat on the bench. Largent broke a bone in his elbow early in the 1989 season and announced his retirement late in the year. How much better he was is a matter of debate: five finishes among the top 5 in DVOA for Romo suggest that they are close. Really liked him a lot except for those small hands. Dave Krieg went to Milton College in Wisconsin. "I'm left struggling with the question of just how good Krieg really was". Have 5hoguht about book like that or. I always felt Krieg was underrated and never got his due. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. He suffered a hand injury in Week 10 against the Packers, and Krieg led a rally from a 24-0 deficit. The Krieg-led Lions in the 2nd half of '94 was one of my favorite Lions teams to watch. Little (or widely) known fact: He has the fourth-smallest hands among current starters. And Krieg, the team's starter for a decade, was exposed to Plan B free agency, the rough 1980s equivalent of being a June 1 cap casualty. He played through an era of rapid strategic, financial, and administrative transition across the NFL. He didn't get many opportunities to impress recruiters, so he ended up at Milton College, a tiny NAIA program located southeast of Madison. But Patera did release Sam McCullum, a productive veteran receiver who also happened to be the Seahawks' union rep. Legal actions ensued. -The link to the Jets game is the wrong link. Head coach Mike Holmgren said of Krieg, "I always wanted him to play for me, but he was way too expensive every year. 4) Bob Smizik was a long-time sports columnist in Pittsburgh either for the morningPittsburgh Post-Gazette or the afternoonPittsburgh Press. I was dragged in to help out a friend in one of the very firstFantasy Football leagueshe couldn't decide on a QBI said 'no matter what the situation, Dave Krieg always finds a way to shine through' He DID win the Fantasy Champ. Krieg wouldn't have survived it all if he wasn't very, very good. "Stouffer has been impressive, very impressive," Knox said, even though Stouffer completed just 20 total passes and threw zero touchdowns in his two starts. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com. In fact, the media gushed over Krieg, and he was well-regarded (as I recall) among national fans. Kreig Kreig Hrm, you reckon this young whipper-snapper means old Mudbone outta Milton College? 6) The Seahawks' five game winning streak at the end of the 1986 season impressed everyone at the time. David Michael Krieg (born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. The Seahawks had joined the NFL just four years earlier in 1976. [24] Despite having an outstanding defense in 1992, their overall record of 214 (.125) remains the worst in franchise history. Although the Seahawks managed only a 79 record, Krieg played well enough to earn a return trip to the Pro Bowl, where he performed impressively, helping lead the AFC to victory.[23]. General manager Mike McCormack took over as head coach and reinstated Zorn when play resumed in November. In January 2017, Krieg raised the 12 Flag atop the Space Needle a few days before the Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions, 26-6, in an NFL Wild Card playoff game.[44]. But Fitzpatrick only finished in the top 10 in DVOA once, in 2018. Krieg left a Week 3 loss to the Rams after enduring seven sacks. ), 2) There's a very thin difference in time between sports fans who remember Jack Patera, Seahawks head coach better (and think of Ken as Jack's brother)or remember Ken Patera, Olympic and (and more notably) pro wrestler better (and think of Jack as Ken's brother). Of course I remember him. WebHes not a face of the NFL by any means, but almost 200 touchdown passes and three Pro Bowls at age 30 is nothing to sneeze at. That game against the Chiefs in KC where he was sacked 8 or 9 times but got the game winning TD pass to Skansi. Mirer and Bledsoe shared Rookie of the Year honors. 3) The Seahawks had the Jets' number in their early expansion years, winning their first 7 games against New York and not losing to the Jets from their founding in 1976 until the 1985 season. One footnote: Gale Gilbert has one other distinction other than being awful - being on the roster for five straight Super Bowl losses. In the last two years where the 49ers qualified for the postseason (2019 and 2021), they won four playoff games with Garoppolo as their starter. Sign up for the For The Win newsletter to get our top stories in your inbox every morning. A few other comments from somebody who has watched almost every Seahawks game since 1984. In the 1991 NFL Draft, the Seahawks used their first round pick on another quarterback of the future, Dan McGwire. Dave Krieg was under center the first time I saw a Seahawks game in person. In reply to The other players profiled by Joey-Harringto. In reply to I remember Kelly Stouffer as by Joey-Harringto. The Arizona Cardinals rewarded Krieg for his 1994 performance by signing him to be their starting quarterback in 1995. Completed only 1 of 12 passes Defends its Crown, 2022 Failed Completions: Justin Herbert Aims for the Record, XFL Week 6 Preview: Houston and D.C. in a Prime-Time Special, Lomas Brown admitted that he got "gator arms", the famous game-winner against the Chiefs, Playoff Previews (previously Game Previews). I really enjoyed this series about good but forgotten players that should be remembered. However, Krieg's poor performance in the playoffs on the road contributed to the wild-card Chiefs' swift elimination by the San Diego Chargers.[25]. Our final Legends of DVOA installment looks at the two-decade career of Dave Krieg, a Krieg's leadership helped the Seahawks compile a respectable 97 record in 1990, but they again missed the playoffs. Fitzpatrick has never led a team to the playoffs; Krieg did it six times. He was slated to back up Scott Mitchell, the lefty who signed a three-year, $11.1-million contract (that figure's supposed to sound huge, folks) after looking great in relief of Marino for the Dolphins in 1993. Ryan Fitzpatrick with Buffalo in2011 kind of fits that mold, but Ryan Fitzpatrick has his own unique layers to his story. Krieg would have another weak game, throwing an interception and fumbling in his own end zone in a 34-7 loss to the Bengals. WebMaybe Dave Krieg with the small hand thing. In recognition of this impressive performance, Krieg's NFL peers named him to his first Pro Bowl. "He's got a big-league arm. Find your friends on Facebook. When I think of Dave Kreig, I always think of the 1985 Seahawks, the team that alternated four 2 game winning streaks with four 2 game losing streaks. Which just tells you that there were a lot of excellent QBs at that time. [19], During the offseason, the Seahawks acquired Kelly Stouffer from the Phoenix Cardinals, and began to groom him as the franchise quarterback of the future.[20]. You are using an out of date browser. In the spring of 1989, Krieg competed in NBC's prestigious Superstars competition, a series of physical challenges pitting athletes from various sports against one another. WebThe official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more. In the year's first game, a knee injury sidelined the Seahawks' star running back Curt Warner for the rest of the season, forcing Coach Knox to discard his run-oriented "Ground Chuck" offense and adopt a new, more pass-intensive philosophy "Air Knox." WebDave Krieg was probably the 12th best QB in the NFL in his era behind Montana, Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Esiason, Kosar, OBrien, Simms, Lomax, and Cunningham. The nine-year Ken Behring era in Seattle after Krieg and Knox's departure was mostly terrible. "How bad can it get if there are only 50 guys on the team and you're the seventh-best quarterback?" EXCELLENT article on our QB and thus draft situation, Some Denver fans not sure we won Wilson trade. I got my picture taken with him at a signing event at a bar during some pregame festivities a few years ago, he looked just about the same as his playing days. In reply to Kreig- Fantasy football winner! I saw one of those Top 10 Busts or some such show where one player was saying that Mirer was done as soon as they figured out he wouldn't or couldn't throw to his right or his left, I can't remember which any more. Undrafted in 1980, Krieg tried out for the Seahawks and caught on as a third-string quarterback. We come to the Golden Example. For some combination of reasons, Krieg won the starting job from Zorn to start the 1982 season and endured 14 sacks in a pair of losses, breaking his thumb in the second game. Given the opportunity to play in the fourth game of his freshman season (1976), he completed four passesthree of them for touchdownsand continued to play well enough to start for the rest of his college career. Heck, Krieg owes most of the last seven years of his career to defense-oriented coaches and their obsession with veteran caretakers. [11] Zorn reclaimed his former role, but played inconsistently. good grief How can you forget a dude who had 108 fumbles and 148 interceptions in 119 starts for this team? Krieg threw 32 touchdown passes, earned a Pro Bowl berth behind Marino, and finished seventh in DVOA and eighth in DYAR despite a league-high 24 interceptions. Krieg's burden grew heavier in 1990, with the retirement of Largent and the continued decline of the offensive line and the running game. The union demanded free agency, rookies held out, and the league nearly cannibalized itself. Ranking every NFL team's 2023 draft class from 32 (sorry, 49ers) to 1 (whoa, Colts), 13 Winners (Bill Belichick!) Join us for a final installment of the Legends of DVOA which spans nearly a generation and features labor strikes, cantankerous coaches, and over a decade's worth of quarterback controversies. "He was doing a great job moving the team up and down the field. I remember Kelly Stouffer as part of the terrible trio who quarterbacked the '92 Seahawks. But Krieg was Kryptonite for southpaw quarterbacks, and he had one last quarterback controversy left in him. Dave Krieg - Pro-Football-Reference.com The Seahawks went 2-1 in replacement games, in part because Largent and a few others crossed the picket lines. There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. I have actually walked on the campus of MILTON, not Ripon college, as well as Alma College in Michigan when my late father suggested that, just to be sure, should also look at small colleges not just the big land grant State schools. Moreover, Krieg's leadership rallied the Lions to a 5-2 regular season finish and a wild card playoff berth. Web1995 Upper Deck Collectors Choice Player's Club Platinum #296 Dave Krieg: $0.50: 1995 Upper Deck Collectors Choice Update #121 Dave Krieg: $0.34: 1995 Upper Deck Electric Gold #234 Dave Krieg: $2.03: 1995 Upper Deck Electric Silver #234 Dave Krieg: $0.34: 1996 Classic NFL Experience #54 Dave Krieg: The Seahawks went 4-3 down the stretch, though Zorn had less to do with their success than a strong defense led by Kenny Easley and Jacob Green, and perhaps the fact that the players no longer despised their coach and vice-versa. Jones was, in fact, the player who injured Mitchell. Dave was lots of fun (along with some gnashing of teeth). Krieg returned and led the Seahawks to a 3-1 record down the stretch. I really enjoyed that. "We played against the New York Jets and they had the Sack Exchange defense," Krieg told Beckys-Place.com. He finished fifth in passing DVOA behind Dan Fouts, Marino, Joe Montana, and Joe Theismann. "We went out for pre-game warm-ups and I didn't know if it would be Sam Adkins or myself. WebKrieg was the holder of the NFL record for most career fumbles for many years, owing to both a lengthy career at quarterback and extremely small hands for the position. His regular season career winloss record is 98-77. I remember feeling like the Seahawks had finally fixed their QB problems but that didn't happen. When Zorn continued to struggle in the final game of the season,[12] Coach Mike McCormack inserted Krieg, who rallied Seattle to a victory over the Denver Broncos. Krieg came to rely on fullback John L. Williams after Largent retired that season. WebSmall hands.. the anti Russell hands. Mitchell was terrible, completing just 48.4% of his passes. Jets link has been fixed. I had forgotten the Rams play, that's got to be one of the greatest plays in history. Mitchell finished 25th in DVOA and 26th in DYAR. He was impressing coaches and teammates with his ability to fire tight spirals into the wind. The first is that his name really is In his 19-year NFL career, Krieg played for the Seahawks (19801991), Kansas City Chiefs (19921993), Detroit Lions (1994), Arizona Cardinals (1995), Chicago Bears (1996), and Tennessee Oilers (19971998). Though I remember both, I was born slightly after the cutoff so I remember Ken Patera better. David Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). But this was long before the era when NFL scouts effectively beat the deep bushes, or when film of NAIA quarterbacks was readily available on YouTube or Hudl for any deep-diving draftnik. Like Fitzpatrick, Krieg played for so long that his origin story became a broadcast trope, and he often played just well enough to get his next job rather than keep his current one. Then he had a choppy first half of '95, and fans were calling for him to be benched for Don Majkowski (seriously), who did play well in one start filling in for an injured Mitchell. Krieg proceeded to lead the Seahawks to another playoff appearance, but Krieg's performance failed to prevent a narrow loss on the road in the first round against the Houston Oilers. Dave Krieg Dave Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. Log in or sign up for Facebook to connect with friends, family and people you know. Dave Krieg, sometimes known as Mudbone, is a former NFL football player from the United States. I loved the guy as a kid and QBs turned it over more in those days butoof. I was about to jump in to defend Dave Krieg, and say, "You're not giving him enough credit! Even when the young starter played poorly,[33] coach Jeff Fisher declined to insert Krieg. The Hundredth Monkey on Twitter: "@andeparks I was there too! I liked him (probably because that's how Philadelphia area sportswriters often wrote). WebFor many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. McCormack returned to the front office in 1983, hiring Chuck Knox as head coach. that season, because of Kreig. Dave Krieg 907830E5-9AEB-4FD2-9C5E-5AFCA574DF26.jpeg. In 1994, Krieg signed with the Detroit Lions to back up Scott Mitchell. Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. ", That late surge only brought a small measure of job security, however. I know I am probably the oldest guy on here, so most of you kids probably don't even remember Krieg, but he was a damn good QB who was also underrated. The Seahawks went 12-4 and avenged themselves against the Raiders in the playoffs but got hammered by Marino's Dolphins in the divisional round. The 15 Largest Hand Sizes in NBA History - HowTheyPlay Thanks for this article - Dave Krieg was one of my favorite players - and I thought I was the only one who thought he was pretty great! I was in the Army in Germany during the late 80's - early 90s seasons. WebClick the graphic to view Dave Krieg's video and to find out about his involvement and appearances with the NFL's Health and Wellness Program. Could Stetson Bennett Be the Next Brock Purdy? [43], He was inducted into the Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor in 2004.[17]. or. WebIn a 1991 game between the New Orleans Saints and Seattle Seahawks, QB Dave Krieg got injured and suffered a broken thumb. He threw three touchdowns, two of them to Largent, in a blowout victory over the Browns in the season finale. It was the later-mentioned Steve Deberg at the helm that game. Raiders in the American Football Conference Championship Game.